Post subject: U.S. soldier 'waterboarded' his own 4 yr old daughter
Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 1:41 pm
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U.S. soldier 'waterboarded his own daughter, 4, because she couldn't recite alphabet'
By Mail Foreign Service Last updated at 7:12 AM on 08th February 2010
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A soldier waterboarded his four-year-old daughter because she was unable to recite her alphabet.
Joshua Tabor admitted to police he had used the CIA torture technique because he was so angry.
As his daughter 'squirmed' to get away, Tabor said he submerged her face three or four times until the water was lapping around her forehead and jawline.
Tabor, 27, who had won custody of his daughter only four weeks earlier, admitted choosing the punishment because the girl was terrified of water.
Human rights activists demonstrate waterboarding in front of the Justice Department. A soldier father stands accused of waterboarding his daughter because she couldn't recite the alphabet
The practice of waterboarding was used by the CIA to break Al Qaeda suspects at Guantanamo Bay. Detainees had water poured over their face until they feared they would drown. President Barack Obama has since outlawed the practice.
Tabor, a soldier at the Lewis-McChord base in Tacoma, Washington, was arrested after being seen walking around his neighbourhood wearing a Kevlar military helmet and threatening to break windows.
Police discovered the alleged waterboarding when they went to his home in the Tacoma suburb of Yelm and spoke to his girlfriend.
She told them about the alleged torture and the terrified girl was found hiding in a closet, with bruising on her back and scratch marks on her neck and throat.
Asked how she got the bruises, the girl is said to have replied: 'Daddy did it.'
During a police interview Tabor allegedly admitted grabbing his daughter, placing her on the kitchen counter and submerging her face into a bowl of water.
Sergeant Rob Carlson said the punishment was carried out because the girl would not recite the alphabet.
Police have not revealed Tabor's military service, but his base is home to units that have served in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Tabor has been charged with assault and ordered to remain on his base and have no contact with his daughter or girlfriend, who has not been named. He is due to appear in court this week.
The girl has been taken into care. Her natural mother lives in Kansas but Tabor had been granted custody by a court.
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Post subject: Re: U.S. soldier 'waterboarded' his own 4 yr old daughter
Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 6:46 pm
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these guys are so conditioned that they don't understand that this is torture. where is the wrong?
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Post subject: Re: U.S. soldier 'waterboarded' his own 4 yr old daughter
Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 6:48 pm
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Jimi wrote:
Yeah, but this guy wouldn't confiscate our guns or put us in camps, right?
only for your own good, right?
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Post subject: Re: U.S. soldier 'waterboarded' his own 4 yr old daughter
Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 9:09 pm
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Dr.No. wrote:
these guys are so conditioned that they don't understand that this is torture. where is the wrong?
Exactly. This is just normal punishment. He even admitted he did it because the girl is so terrified of water. It's just normal, everyday stuff to expose your child to punishment with items they fear the most.
She probably wouldn't do the alphabet for him because he's such a big, scary freak.
Post subject: Re: U.S. soldier 'waterboarded' his own 4 yr old daughter
Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 5:10 am
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Fake story!
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Post subject: Re: U.S. soldier 'waterboarded' his own 4 yr old daughter
Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 5:49 am
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cavemonk wrote:
Fake story!
Care to cite your sources?
You're making a pretty big claim there.
Hell, you "back up" all of your Jesuit shit with "incontrovertible proof" that only the learned will understand and fully grasp.
How about you apply that awesome amount of fact checking and cross referencing to this story, lest you look like one of the idiot youtube commenters that instantly yell "fake!".
:shakes head:
Idiot.
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Post subject: Re: U.S. soldier 'waterboarded' his own 4 yr old daughter
Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 4:09 pm
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jenny wrote:
Dr.No. wrote:
these guys are so conditioned that they don't understand that this is torture. where is the wrong?
Exactly. This is just normal punishment. He even admitted he did it because the girl is so terrified of water. It's just normal, everyday stuff to expose your child to punishment with items they fear the most.
This MUST be because hes in the military! There CAN'T be any good military parents out there because EVERYONE is so conditioned to kill everything and torture innocents. Never mind that hes psychotic. It's cos he's in the military. I have a feeling this guy's "anger" would've caused him to hurt the girl in some other way if he didn't know about waterboarding. There's bad/psychotic people in every organization, you can't blame this solely on the military. This is NOT normal, everyday stuff, and most people in the armed forces understand that.
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Post subject: Re: U.S. soldier 'waterboarded' his own 4 yr old daughter
Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 6:06 pm
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Psychos join the military - I have known some.
And in there, sometimes that energy gets percolated in their twisted little brains, to eventually manifest in shit like this.
God knows what this guy is capable of in theater, outside the immediate arm of the law.
But as bad as this guy is, your killers aren't nearly as savage as the killers of some other militaries that are less... institutionally ironclad.
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I could tell a couple stories about Canada's military, and how thoroughly fucking twisted they are trained to think. Let's just say that while your boys are trained to kill, they're also trained to be robots who follow exactly. Marooned in the middle of nowhere with no support and no direct orders, most US soldiers wouldn't be killing anyone. They'd be on the horn, calling for evac.
Even Canada's most mild-mannered peacekeepers, are given enough nudge-nudge wink-wink operational flexibility to take care of things outside the range of their orders... Let's just say that when they're hunting snipers in Sarajevo and notching their guns for sport at night, the biggest crime they can commit is getting caught.
Our biggest military scandal (in 80 years anyhow, long story...), was when the infamous Airborne Regiment was disbanded (and immediately reconstituted) for videotaping the torture and killing of a young Somali kid who broke into the base to steal some shit. The civilian media flipped out. But as per their lower-rung operational mandate (because their actual orders were vague as fuck), their only transgression was to not kill him immediately - if you torture someone first, you can't kill them afterwards. The guys involved made videos about how they love to kill niggers, etc. - real stand-up members of society.
Where you guys have the joint chiefs etc. with their code of honour and separate justice and such, we have nothing - our military is simply at some levels, totally unsupervised in that fashion - there is a disconnect where there should be military and not civilian oversight.
Our boys are killers - very hardcore killers. And they're allowed to operate somewhat, as they see fit.
By comparison, on average, your military is a bunch of pussies - no offense.
But that doesn't mean that they're still not killers - killers will do these kinds of things.
I'm not excusing this guy - but please understand, when you have trained attack dogs, they are going to be more likely to snap at you.
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TORONTO — Investigators will look into the unsolved murder of Kathleen MacVicar as they probe cases that may have intersected with the life of the man now accused of two murders near CFB Trenton.
Police said on Monday they will be investigating any connection to the 19-year-old’s brutal murder in June 2001. The Nova Scotia teen was found in Middleton Park, a housing development inside CFB Trenton. MacVicar was staying with family at CFB Trenton when she disappeared June 13, 2001. Two days later her body was found in a wooded corner of the base. She had been raped and stabbed to death.
A year after MacVicar was found, police announced a $50,000 reward for information leading to the conviction of her killer. At the time, police said they believed the killer might be the same person who attacked a London, Ont., woman that same year. The woman survived the knife-point attack.
A task force from both London and Belleville said at the time they were looking for a man in his 20s or 30s, with a history of violence toward women.
Post subject: Re: U.S. soldier 'waterboarded' his own 4 yr old daughter
Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 7:29 pm
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A good friend of mine was an air cadet, and their whole troupe went to stay at Cold Lake AFB. Fucking huge area of Alberta that they practice on by the way, it's got to be bigger than the ten smallest countries in the world put together.
One of the girls in his troupe (14 or 15) would taunt the soldiers stationed there, flaunting her sexual power and teasing them. She was warned by several people but didn't stop.
She sure ended up regretting that. Someone grabbed her as she walked past a barracks, and all the boys had a turn. But at least she survived.
It was all hushed up and buried.
Rape is something that soldiers do - it's as old as the fucking dirt. The glorious aftermath of every conquest of a city, included the orgy of destruction as part of the celebration. MRE isn't always shitty rations, sometimes it's Murder, Rape, Etc.
Canada's soldiers... are very dangerous individuals, and I mean that in the truest sense - they are not mindless robots. Mindless robots are not as unpredictable as troops who are used to making their own rules as the situation allows, as they are trained and encouraged to do.
They aren't coddled with luxuries like non-combat personnel, sensible orders, adequate equipment and supplies, fire support, etc.
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