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Lord Tsukasa
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Post subject: Re: Debunking the 9/11 *Anti-No-Plane-Theory* Myths Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 10:28 pm |
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Looger wrote: i think it's dangerous to think along logical lines when evaluating which attacks would 'need' video fakery and which ones would not. this wasn't carried out by a contractor like a plumber or carpenter or electrician, who would quote the minimum required materials to get it done effectively. people really have to break out of this thinking, it is fucking dangerous.
based on past government / black-ops attacks, i think it's plainly obvious that if there is video fakery it does not automatically mean there were no planes.
based on the past actions of this / related cabals, i think it's plainly obvious that a huge amount of chaff is sent up to get people to endlessly debate the unsolvable problem of figuring out the mechanism involved while completely bypassing the important aspect - that we were lied to about the perpetrators of the attacks. The faking of every plane video would indicate that they were covering something up that was in the real video, and it would fit in with how they didn't use planes at the Pentagon or in Shanksville, and how numerous eyewitnesses at the WTC were reporting small planes, missiles, bombs, and explosions with no sound/sight of a plane.
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guymon
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Post subject: Re: Debunking the 9/11 *Anti-No-Plane-Theory* Myths Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 8:00 pm |
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Lord Tsukasa
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Post subject: Re: Debunking the 9/11 *Anti-No-Plane-Theory* Myths Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 8:47 pm |
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guymon wrote: Where the fuck did all these no-plane folks come from? Why the sudden surge in this theory? Why did a bunch of old forum members suddenly come back at the same time? Something around here stinks. I came to the forum first, I mentioned I was a No Planer, but didn't make a post about it (Though I planned to). Then I saw ParadigmShift make a post called "No Plane Theory Debunked". We got into a debate about No Planes, and CB_Brooklyn, who posts TV Fakery info on many forums to get the word out, must have seen that, so they came and posted their excellent article "Debunking the 9/11 *Anti-No-Plane-Theory* Myths". Scarecrow came later (Btw, Scarecrow, have you checked out 911movement.org? We discuss the TV Fakery there). The story is that me and ParadigmShift got into a debate, which drew attention from others, who joined in. Does that help clear things up? 
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Dr.No.
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Post subject: Re: Debunking the 9/11 *Anti-No-Plane-Theory* Myths Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 10:05 pm |
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guymon wrote: Where the fuck did all these no-plane folks come from? Why the sudden surge in this theory? Why did a bunch of old forum members suddenly come back at the same time? Something around here stinks. don't worry guymon, lets entertain ourselves watching them rip each other apart.. blood is circus circus is blood
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Lord Tsukasa
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Post subject: Re: Debunking the 9/11 *Anti-No-Plane-Theory* Myths Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 10:15 pm |
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Dr.No. wrote: guymon wrote: Where the fuck did all these no-plane folks come from? Why the sudden surge in this theory? Why did a bunch of old forum members suddenly come back at the same time? Something around here stinks. don't worry guymon, lets entertain ourselves watching them rip each other apart.. blood is circus circus is blood I'm not trying to rip anyone apart, and I don't feel that CB_Brooklyn, ParadigmShift, and Scarecrow are either. It's just debate. I wish this movement would have unity and people would be allowed to question the fake videos openly in many forums. I praise this forum for allowing discussion of what I feel to be one of the most important parts of the 9/11 deception, and for not being like 'truth'action.org, PrisonPlanet forums, and other sites that ban people for their theories. I wish other 911 sites would also say no to censorship of ideas.
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Dr.No.
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Post subject: Re: Debunking the 9/11 *Anti-No-Plane-Theory* Myths Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 10:46 pm |
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Lord Tsukasa wrote: Dr.No. wrote: guymon wrote: Where the fuck did all these no-plane folks come from? Why the sudden surge in this theory? Why did a bunch of old forum members suddenly come back at the same time? Something around here stinks. don't worry guymon, lets entertain ourselves watching them rip each other apart.. blood is circus circus is blood I'm not trying to rip anyone apart, and I don't feel that CB_Brooklyn, ParadigmShift, and Scarecrow are either. It's just debate. I wish this movement would have unity and people would be allowed to question the fake videos openly in many forums. I praise this forum for allowing discussion of what I feel to be one of the most important parts of the 9/11 deception, and for not being like 'truth'action.org, PrisonPlanet forums, and other sites that ban people for their theories. I wish other 911 sites would also say no to censorship of ideas. you have got it right, you are free to discuss these ideas here, without fear of being banned or censored .... just don't allow yourself to get hurt by anyones comments. welcome to jackbloodforum.. Dr.Psyop. no fun,,, no club !!
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stallion4
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Post subject: Re: Debunking the 9/11 *Anti-No-Plane-Theory* Myths Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 10:00 am |
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guymon wrote: Where the fuck did all these no-plane folks come from? Why the sudden surge in this theory? They came over from this website: http://breakfornews.com/forum/index.phpYou can see most of the usual suspects in this forum of that message board: http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewforum ... 640d7e52abI kicked some of their asses over on 911blogger and the website above (before it got heavily infiltrated) and they've been stalking me ever since. They've written hit-pieces about me and others who've debunked their no plane/Space Beam bullshit. They've gone so far as to create a video channel using my moniker pushing the no plane/space beam bullshit to discredit me. If you Google it, the first one that pops up is that channel. LOL I've been posting about the 9/11 inside job for years now, but somehow they've managed to get that "stallion4" no plane bullshit channel to the top of Google's search engine. guymon wrote: Why did a bunch of old forum members suddenly come back at the same time? Something around here stinks. I agree that something sure stinks, but I've always been here. I've never left, just don't post that much if at all anymore, though. I've been a part of this message board back when Jack use to have a show on RBN when it was their board (This one sprang up out of that). I just saw this idiot LT begin posting here (i.e. stalking me) from the breakfornews forum, so I decided to post on the thread that I saw him on. He ran his mouth as I expected him to do, starting shit with me, so I put him in his place. As far as this CB character goes: I use to moderate Raw Story's boards a few years ago and he popped up out of no where - sending me PMs and trying to get information out of me - then asking me to help him with a project that involved contacting hundreds of Structural Engineers in an effort to get them to look at controlled demolition theory of the WTC. It all seemed legit at the time. I thought he seemed like a decent person, so I decided to help him by compiling as many demolition quotes from 9/11 witnesses, etc. to send to them. I even introduced him to the owner of 911blogger to help this effort get off the ground by posting CB's project over there to try to get more people on board with it. This was late 2005/early 2006 if I recall correctly. Well within weeks this CB character went from posting what I considered to be excellent 9/11 information - to posting complete bunkum. You name it, he was posting it. No planes, then it was Space beams and on and on. I believe CB was a person who was trying to establish credibility at first, to only later destroy it and create 'guilt by association' to discredit other 9/11 researchers and 9/11 truth in general. From what I can tell, CB has worked closely with Judy Wood (he hooked up with her just before she started spewing the "Beams From Outer Space" bullshit). Mostly does A LOT of copy and pasting, spamming 9/11 bunkum all over the internet on a daily basis. This person does not seem to have any other job or career, other than to discredit 9/11 truth from what I can tell. Unless he' posting from work, which is possible I suppose, but he seems to have A LOT of free time on his hands from what I've researched about him. My guess is he is a paid disinformationalist. I'm sure it was probably LT who brought CB and the others over here. Someone once told me that CB was really Killtown. I don't know if that's true or not, though.
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cb_brooklyn
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Post subject: Re: Debunking the 9/11 *Anti-No-Plane-Theory* Myths Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 11:29 am |
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stallion4 wrote: guymon wrote: Where the fuck did all these no-plane folks come from? Why the sudden surge in this theory? They came over from this website: http://breakfornews.com/forum/index.phpYou can see most of the usual suspects in this forum of that message board: http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewforum ... 640d7e52abI kicked some of their asses over on 911blogger and the website above (before it got heavily infiltrated) and they've been stalking me ever since. They've written hit-pieces about me and others who've debunked their no plane/Space Beam bullshit. They've gone so far as to create a video channel using my moniker pushing the no plane/space beam bullshit to discredit me. If you Google it, the first one that pops up is that channel. LOL I've been posting about the 9/11 inside job for years now, but somehow they've managed to get that "stallion4" no plane bullshit channel to the top of Google's search engine. guymon wrote: Why did a bunch of old forum members suddenly come back at the same time? Something around here stinks. I agree that something sure stinks, but I've always been here. I've never left, just don't post that much if at all anymore, though. I've been a part of this message board back when Jack use to have a show on RBN when it was their board (This one sprang up out of that). I just saw this idiot LT begin posting here (i.e. stalking me) from the breakfornews forum, so I decided to post on the thread that I saw him on. He ran his mouth as I expected him to do, starting shit with me, so I put him in his place. As far as this CB character goes: I use to moderate Raw Story's boards a few years ago and he popped up out of no where - sending me PMs and trying to get information out of me - then asking me to help him with a project that involved contacting hundreds of Structural Engineers in an effort to get them to look at controlled demolition theory of the WTC. It all seemed legit at the time. I thought he seemed like a decent person, so I decided to help him by compiling as many demolition quotes from 9/11 witnesses, etc. to send to them. I even introduced him to the owner of 911blogger to help this effort get off the ground by posting CB's project over there to try to get more people on board with it. This was late 2005/early 2006 if I recall correctly. Well within weeks this CB character went from posting what I considered to be excellent 9/11 information - to posting complete bunkum. You name it, he was posting it. No planes, then it was Space beams and on and on. I believe CB was a person who was trying to establish credibility at first, to only later destroy it and create 'guilt by association' to discredit other 9/11 researchers and 9/11 truth in general. From what I can tell, CB has worked closely with Judy Wood (he hooked up with her just before she started spewing the "Beams From Outer Space" bullshit). Mostly does A LOT of copy and pasting, spamming 9/11 bunkum all over the internet on a daily basis. This person does not seem to have any other job or career, other than to discredit 9/11 truth from what I can tell. Unless he' posting from work, which is possible I suppose, but he seems to have A LOT of free time on his hands from what I've researched about him. My guess is he is a paid disinformationalist. I'm sure it was probably LT who brought CB and the others over here. Someone once told me that CB was really Killtown. I don't know if that's true or not, though. I used to appreciate the time S4 gave to the Structural Engineering email project, but I now believe he's a paid disinformationalist. There's just nothing else to think. He doesn't refute any DEW/NP evidence, he just spews ad hominems just like Steven Jones. Either he's a paid disinformationalist or extremely brainwashed. It's been pointed out so many times that Dr Wood never said the beam must have come from space. It has also been pointed out (many many times) that the term "space beam" was coined by none other than Steven Jones. Jones uses ad hominems to discredit DEW/NP just like he did with free energy Cold Fusion research decades ago. See this video: Steven Jones - 9/11 Parallels http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1vOeKNN2UII was a strong supporter of Jones, and made an idiot out of myself asking 100s of professors to support him. Now that I know what Jones really is, I made sure all those professors know too.
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Dung-Muncher
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Post subject: Re: Debunking the 9/11 *Anti-No-Plane-Theory* Myths Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 12:16 pm |
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God damnit, where is my picture of the USS Enterprise firing on the north tower? I lose all my good stuff as soon as the cultists arrive.
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Whitehead
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Post subject: Re: Debunking the 9/11 *Anti-No-Plane-Theory* Myths Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 12:34 pm |
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I am back and I now believe that no planes were present on September the 11th 2001. How they accomplished the illusion of planes was really quite simple. They used the same technology that was intended for Operation Bluebeam, and instead used it to create holographic projections of airplanes.
Also, I believe John F Kennedy and Marylon Monroe were infact the same person, and using mirrors they fooled the public into thinking that one person was infact two.
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stallion4
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Post subject: Re: Debunking the 9/11 *Anti-No-Plane-Theory* Myths Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 8:31 pm |
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cb_brooklyn wrote: It's been pointed out so many times that Dr Wood never said the beam must have come from space. You're full of shit man. The crazy bitch is on tape saying it... http://truthaction.org/media/Judy_Wood_ ... ss_DEW.mp3 Jim Fetzer: “I must say I think we’re finding out Judy, what happened on 9/11. I’m just blown away by your work. This is the most fascinating development in the history of the study of 9/11… I’m going to make a wild guess Judy; I’m going to presume that these [directed energy] beams had to be located in Building 7?”
Judy Wood: “Nope. I don’t think so.”
Fetzer: “Planes?”
Judy Wood: “No… I think it’s very likely it’s in orbit.”
Fetzer: “Oh Really?? Oh ho ho ho ho! Oh Judy. Oh my, oh my, oh my. This is huge… this is huge Judy.” [source: Jim Fetzer interviews Judy Wood, Non-Random Thoughts on RBN Live, November 11, 2006]The Sound of Disinformation: What Will They Say Next? http://arabesque911.blogspot.com/search ... udy%20WoodNow take your fucking circus show some place else. Kris, this isn't about free speech man. These people are purposely shitting on the truth, the people who were killed on 9/11 AND their family members. They need to go. (All of 'em except for Whitehead LOL)
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cb_brooklyn
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Post subject: Re: Debunking the 9/11 *Anti-No-Plane-Theory* Myths Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 8:22 am |
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stallion4 wrote: cb_brooklyn wrote: It's been pointed out so many times that Dr Wood never said the beam must have come from space. You're full of shit man. The crazy bitch is on tape saying it... http://truthaction.org/media/Judy_Wood_ ... ss_DEW.mp3 Jim Fetzer: “I must say I think we’re finding out Judy, what happened on 9/11. I’m just blown away by your work. This is the most fascinating development in the history of the study of 9/11… I’m going to make a wild guess Judy; I’m going to presume that these [directed energy] beams had to be located in Building 7?”
Judy Wood: “Nope. I don’t think so.”
Fetzer: “Planes?”
Judy Wood: “No… I think it’s very likely it’s in orbit.”
Fetzer: “Oh Really?? Oh ho ho ho ho! Oh Judy. Oh my, oh my, oh my. This is huge… this is huge Judy.” [source: Jim Fetzer interviews Judy Wood, Non-Random Thoughts on RBN Live, November 11, 2006]The Sound of Disinformation: What Will They Say Next? http://arabesque911.blogspot.com/search ... udy%20WoodNow take your fucking circus show some place else. Kris, this isn't about free speech man. These people are purposely shitting on the truth, the people who were killed on 9/11 AND their family members. They need to go. (All of 'em except for Whitehead LOL) With your childish namecalling, it's understandable why you have trouble comprehending things and looking at information. I'd suggest you look into this further before making anymore of a fool of yourself than you already have. Dr Wood was giving a general opinion in that interview. Do you know what an "opinion" is? Her scientific analysis is on her website, and is based on evidence: http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/Star ... 7.html#DEWquote: ================================== Beam Weapons, Energy Weapons, and Directed Energy Weapons (DEW): We have used the terms "beam weapons" and "directed energy weapons" to refer to unconventional weapons (exotic weapons) that are energy weapons. We broadly define DEW as Energy that is Directed and is used as a Weapon. The full range of these weapons is classified information, so we make no limits or distinction of categories within the realm of energy weapons, as doing so would imply specific knowledge of all that is available. In the following paragraph, we have listed some of the possibilities we are aware of. Our critics have accused us of insisting that beam weapons did their damage from outer space, yet we make no claim about whether the directed energy weapon operated from a space-, air-, or ground-based platform. Nor do we make any claim about what wavelength(s) was used, what the source(s) of energy was, whether it involved interference of multiple beams, whether it involved sound waves, whether it involved sonoluminescence, whether it involved antimatter weapons, whether it involved scalar weapons, whether it was HAARP (more here and here), whether it involved a nuclear process (e.g. NDEW, more info), whether it involved conventional directed energy weapons (cDEW), whether it involved improvised directed energy weapons (iDEW), nor what kind of accelerator was used, nor do we claim to know what the serial numbers of the parts that were in the weapon(s). What we do claim is that the evidence is consistent with the use of energy weapons that go well beyond the capabilities of conventional explosives and can be directed. ==================================
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cb_brooklyn
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Post subject: Re: Debunking the 9/11 *Anti-No-Plane-Theory* Myths Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 8:26 am |
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and, btw, Stallion4, if you consider the idea of space based weapons "crazy", then you're just another brainwashed fool who's been watching too much tee-vee. You've been conditioned, hook, line, and sinker, by the Global Elite into thinking space weapons are crazy, when they are not.
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cb_brooklyn
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Post subject: Re: Debunking the 9/11 *Anti-No-Plane-Theory* Myths Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 8:54 am |
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I see very few people here would actually go to checktheevidence.com to see the full article, so I took the liberty of posting it here. The abbreviated version in the OP is now the full article.
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Lord Tsukasa
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Post subject: Re: Debunking the 9/11 *Anti-No-Plane-Theory* Myths Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 9:41 pm |
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Stallion4, I'm done with you. I'm not stalking you. I would have called you out here if I was. I did not even know that you were registered here. I recall explaining to you that the only reason I jumped on you in ParadigmShift's post was because based on prior experience with you at B4N, I suspected that you would start flaming me. If you intended to simply drop the 'LMAO' and stay off the flames, I would have ignored you. I didn't even start the discussion about no planes here, so don't try to say that I'm trying to 'deceive everyone into believing it'. I sincerely believe it. I'm not an agent.
I did bring the others here. I alerted the others at 911movement.org (That's where I mainly post at, not B4N) that there was a debate over here. I guess that's when the other two came. Instead of calling us disinfo agents with no proof at all, I think we'd all like to see you address the evidence of No Planes/Directed-Energy Weapons.
I tried to make peace with you, dude, because I like some of your research. You continue to flame me still, and until you start acting like a civil individual (Or at least said something about the evidence), I will, from this point on, ignore your posts.
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